The Sit Down with Mallory Johnson
4x ECMA winner and 4x CCMA nominee, Mallory Johnson returns this week with her sophomore album Over The Party, which she has referred to as a darker, deeper extension of her 2022 concept debut Surprise Party. Where Surprise Party was glitter and grit, over the party is what lingers in the aftermath. We caught up with the Nashville based artist in the lead up to the albums release to find out more about it.
Hi Mallory. How are you today?
Good. Thank you. I just I was doing a bit of traveling today and I'm on the west coast of Newfoundland, so I drove across the province. It's been a beautiful drive.
What part of Newfoundland are you from?
Originally from the east side, just outside of St. John's in a little town called Conception Bay South, but my mom's side of the family is from the west coast which is where we are right now. It's about eight hours from St. John's.
Are you back home from Nashville to help celebrate the album release on Friday
Yeah, I'm here with all my family. I've been doing a couple of reunion shows in a way because I grew up doing music with my family bands The Cormier's, my mum and my uncle are doing some classic country shows this week and I hopped on the show to warm the stage for them and play some of the new stuff acoustically. It's been really fun to have that reunion and see a lot of family come out for it.
That's been great timing then to see family with Over The Party being out on Friday (11th July).
It's worked so nicely. On Friday, we’re gonna have a big old brunch and all the aunts and uncles and cousins are gonna be around and we'll do a little listening party.
We've got about just 72 hours now till the release. Are you in the final countdown?
Gosh, it's so soon. I feel like it creeped up really fast, but at the same time, it was three years in the making. As always, those projects take forever but now that it's here I don't feel ready yet! I feel like there's still so much left to do to be prepared, but it's happening!
Does it feel like it's been three years because it was back in 2022 when Surprise Party came out
It definitely doesn't as I feel like I've lived with a lot of the songs for a very long time because even in the process of recording Surprise Party some of the songs on this album Over The Party were being written. I've been playing some of them out for a while, so some friends and fans are familiar with a little bit of the music, but I did hold a couple songs close to my chest because I didn't want to play them out before the record came out - I wanted a couple surprises on there! In some ways it feels like it's been three years, but in other ways, I feel like where did the time go? I feel like I was just in the studio recording and laying down some of those tracks. Times just flown! It’s been wild.
You've been building up to this really since May 2024 too which is when the first single came out.
Yeah, last May we launched the very first single F That and that single had a really cool life to it. I originally wasn't planning on even recording that song as it was a song that I wrote with a dear friend of mine Brian Donkers. At the time, I was going through one those bouts in the industry where you feel like the industry is really kicking you when you're down and I had this session with Brian, and we treated it like a therapy session in a way. He just let me vent and the waterworks come out and I just vented about what I've been going through professionally and stuff in my personal life. It all overflowed as my manager would say, the last little potato in the sack that kind of made it all overflow! We had a few sessions with this song and it took a while to get right and even the hook of the song was just a placeholder for a while. I didn't know if I wanted to drop the f-bomb because in the past I like to be silly and clever with my writing, but I didn't have any songs with explicit content. I was like, should I go down that lane? I don't know. I have a potty mouth in person, but on stage I don't know if that's something I wanted to do. We just couldn't come up with a line that beat it and had the same power that we were looking for. What we tried to replace it with was just cheesy or just didn't have the same grit to it, so we kept it in and did a little work tape of the song. I sent the work tape to my parents first and I was like I'm sorry. I'm sorry for the f-bomb, but I want to hear what you think about this! I like to send my songs I'm excited about to my mum and dad because they're very supportive they will be brutally honest if they love a song! I can tell if they love it and if they hate a song I can tell. When I sent them this song, my mum responded with wow, I love it but are you brave enough to sing it in public and I responded - for the right audience, yeah, I think so. I started to test the song in front of audiences. It was super nerve-wracking, but I started to test it and it went really really well - overwhelmingly well. Then I started to get a little braver and play it in industry showcases and that went really well and we decided to record the song and put it out. It was funny that the people who essentially I was writing the song about they were the ones who embraced it the most. It was a really special introduction to the new project and I wanted to make a bold move and why not make a bold move with the boldest song on the project.
Hi Mallory. How are you today?
Good. Thank you. I just I was doing a bit of traveling today and I'm on the west coast of Newfoundland, so I drove across the province. It's been a beautiful drive.
What part of Newfoundland are you from?
Originally from the east side, just outside of St. John's in a little town called Conception Bay South, but my mom's side of the family is from the west coast which is where we are right now. It's about eight hours from St. John's.
Are you back home from Nashville to help celebrate the album release on Friday
Yeah, I'm here with all my family. I've been doing a couple of reunion shows in a way because I grew up doing music with my family bands The Cormier's, my mum and my uncle are doing some classic country shows this week and I hopped on the show to warm the stage for them and play some of the new stuff acoustically. It's been really fun to have that reunion and see a lot of family come out for it.
That's been great timing then to see family with Over The Party being out on Friday (11th July).
It's worked so nicely. On Friday, we’re gonna have a big old brunch and all the aunts and uncles and cousins are gonna be around and we'll do a little listening party.
We've got about just 72 hours now till the release. Are you in the final countdown?
Gosh, it's so soon. I feel like it creeped up really fast, but at the same time, it was three years in the making. As always, those projects take forever but now that it's here I don't feel ready yet! I feel like there's still so much left to do to be prepared, but it's happening!
Does it feel like it's been three years because it was back in 2022 when Surprise Party came out
It definitely doesn't as I feel like I've lived with a lot of the songs for a very long time because even in the process of recording Surprise Party some of the songs on this album Over The Party were being written. I've been playing some of them out for a while, so some friends and fans are familiar with a little bit of the music, but I did hold a couple songs close to my chest because I didn't want to play them out before the record came out - I wanted a couple surprises on there! In some ways it feels like it's been three years, but in other ways, I feel like where did the time go? I feel like I was just in the studio recording and laying down some of those tracks. Times just flown! It’s been wild.
You've been building up to this really since May 2024 too which is when the first single came out.
Yeah, last May we launched the very first single F That and that single had a really cool life to it. I originally wasn't planning on even recording that song as it was a song that I wrote with a dear friend of mine Brian Donkers. At the time, I was going through one those bouts in the industry where you feel like the industry is really kicking you when you're down and I had this session with Brian, and we treated it like a therapy session in a way. He just let me vent and the waterworks come out and I just vented about what I've been going through professionally and stuff in my personal life. It all overflowed as my manager would say, the last little potato in the sack that kind of made it all overflow! We had a few sessions with this song and it took a while to get right and even the hook of the song was just a placeholder for a while. I didn't know if I wanted to drop the f-bomb because in the past I like to be silly and clever with my writing, but I didn't have any songs with explicit content. I was like, should I go down that lane? I don't know. I have a potty mouth in person, but on stage I don't know if that's something I wanted to do. We just couldn't come up with a line that beat it and had the same power that we were looking for. What we tried to replace it with was just cheesy or just didn't have the same grit to it, so we kept it in and did a little work tape of the song. I sent the work tape to my parents first and I was like I'm sorry. I'm sorry for the f-bomb, but I want to hear what you think about this! I like to send my songs I'm excited about to my mum and dad because they're very supportive they will be brutally honest if they love a song! I can tell if they love it and if they hate a song I can tell. When I sent them this song, my mum responded with wow, I love it but are you brave enough to sing it in public and I responded - for the right audience, yeah, I think so. I started to test the song in front of audiences. It was super nerve-wracking, but I started to test it and it went really really well - overwhelmingly well. Then I started to get a little braver and play it in industry showcases and that went really well and we decided to record the song and put it out. It was funny that the people who essentially I was writing the song about they were the ones who embraced it the most. It was a really special introduction to the new project and I wanted to make a bold move and why not make a bold move with the boldest song on the project.
Having picked up the momentum, you released a couple more tracks last year too. Did that just give you such a buzz and such a push to really complete this project?
Yeah, of course because I only recorded three songs off the top as I wasn't a hundred percent sure if I wanted to do a full album. I was working with a new producer and I wanted to see how our dynamic was and how well we work together. After those three songs and the momentum and the buzz with those three songs, it was like, okay let's just do the rest of the project. It's been really fun to showcase not only a new side of me, but going back to my roots a little bit because I grew up doing Celtic folk music and a lot of the instrumentation on this new album has some Celtic. There's some of my singer-songwriter folk roots, so I'm not taking a step away from country music but taking a step away from that honky-tonk kind of more pop country sounds that have been in some of the previous releases. It's been really fun to see friends, family and fans latch on to the new stuff and just as easily love it in a stripped-down listening room and on a huge stage with a full band. It's been fun to experiment at the same time.
You got a couple of nominations for this release before the albums even been released which must be quite surreal.
Yeah, you like when your stuff is eligible to be nominated and of course you always want to throw it in the ring, right? You always want to give it a chance just to see what happens, but you never expect it to go anywhere because it's too new and it hasn't had a chance to have a snowball effect or get the press or get the streams or the views and the Tik-Toc numbers yet. Those couple of songs ended up getting some traction within my peers and within the Associations that got the nominations and we came out with a couple of noms at the East Coast Music Awards and then some of the DSPs really jumped on board and helped us as well. It was my first time getting an editorial playlist on Apple Music and that's completely changed my streaming numbers. I always kind of sucked in streaming, I had some amazing supporters with Amazon and Spotify supporting in the past, but my streaming numbers were always kind of weak, and I always wanted to hit that 100k mark or 200k record upwards and Apple helped push it over the edge so that they've been they've been awesome this go-around
With those nominations and stream it just adds to that momentum and final push to this week.
Exactly. It gives the album some legs on its release day. It's like hey, we've already had this great support from the industry and our peers, so maybe you should listen to the rest! Maybe there's some more cool stuff on there and that also means the project is eligible two years in a row!
Yeah, of course because I only recorded three songs off the top as I wasn't a hundred percent sure if I wanted to do a full album. I was working with a new producer and I wanted to see how our dynamic was and how well we work together. After those three songs and the momentum and the buzz with those three songs, it was like, okay let's just do the rest of the project. It's been really fun to showcase not only a new side of me, but going back to my roots a little bit because I grew up doing Celtic folk music and a lot of the instrumentation on this new album has some Celtic. There's some of my singer-songwriter folk roots, so I'm not taking a step away from country music but taking a step away from that honky-tonk kind of more pop country sounds that have been in some of the previous releases. It's been really fun to see friends, family and fans latch on to the new stuff and just as easily love it in a stripped-down listening room and on a huge stage with a full band. It's been fun to experiment at the same time.
You got a couple of nominations for this release before the albums even been released which must be quite surreal.
Yeah, you like when your stuff is eligible to be nominated and of course you always want to throw it in the ring, right? You always want to give it a chance just to see what happens, but you never expect it to go anywhere because it's too new and it hasn't had a chance to have a snowball effect or get the press or get the streams or the views and the Tik-Toc numbers yet. Those couple of songs ended up getting some traction within my peers and within the Associations that got the nominations and we came out with a couple of noms at the East Coast Music Awards and then some of the DSPs really jumped on board and helped us as well. It was my first time getting an editorial playlist on Apple Music and that's completely changed my streaming numbers. I always kind of sucked in streaming, I had some amazing supporters with Amazon and Spotify supporting in the past, but my streaming numbers were always kind of weak, and I always wanted to hit that 100k mark or 200k record upwards and Apple helped push it over the edge so that they've been they've been awesome this go-around
With those nominations and stream it just adds to that momentum and final push to this week.
Exactly. It gives the album some legs on its release day. It's like hey, we've already had this great support from the industry and our peers, so maybe you should listen to the rest! Maybe there's some more cool stuff on there and that also means the project is eligible two years in a row!
You worked with Andrew Petrov to produce the album. How did that kind of come about?
Oh my gosh. Well, first of all, Andrew is incredible. We're good buddies now. I love his whole family - they're awesome. He's been, I think, the best thing that's ever happened to my music and my creativity. He's pushed me in ways producers haven't pushed me in the past. He made me play on every single song on this record, so the acoustic guitars on the record is me and he even got me to play bass. I'm playing keys all over it, where in the past I've only just done vocals on all of my music. I've never been confident enough to be the session musician. With this project, he's really pushed me to do that.
Let's rewind back to your question! I came across Andrew because I fell in love with a record that he produced for Meg McRee – Is It Just Me? Meg McRee’s fantastic. It's beautiful front to back, so when I was trying to compile my dream producers that I wanted to work with my manager we were brainstorming and thinking of the angle I wanted to go with my new project and who would kind of fit that. I had a short list of producers I was like, I really love this work that they've done, or I've just liked them as a producer for who they've worked with in the past and Andrew was on that list because I love this album. My manager cold called his manager and was like, hey, can we set up a meeting, Mal loves Meg's record, she thinks it's super rad. I want to get you guys in a room to see if you would gel together. We had the best time, we were just on the same page, and it was such a relaxing atmosphere, really warm and welcoming. He gave me the space to co-produce, and he wanted as much input as I wanted to give him. He wanted me in the room when he was mixing and making all those decisions and asking my opinion on things because he really put me as artists first, which I really appreciated, and it was like that from the get-go. He was just incredible, and it was cool to be able to throw stuff at a wall and see what sticks. If we liked it, awesome, if we didn't we went back to the drawing board! It was a very creative space and very welcoming. It was a fun space to be in.
It has also resulted in a co-producer credit for you. Was that something you set out for on this project and would want to do again?
I'm giving Andrew all the credit on the production, but it was just really nice that he took my opinion and ran with it. He was very inclusive in that, so maybe I could wear that hat on future projects now I feel more confident.
On the press release you have compared this release to being the evil stepsister of Surprise Party. I absolutely love the evolution of an idea over the years.
I know! It's like what is this girl gone through? What is happening? I love the whole idea of a concept album, not just like throwing a bunch of singles on an album and putting it out just for the sake of it. I've always been drawn to artists that create concepts with their work and are very intentional with the track listing and front to back and how it's supposed to be perceived and the different themes within the record - even down with to the artwork and just the whole album as a package. I've always been like it everything I put out. I want to be so intentional. Surprise Party was very glittery, celebratory and hopeful. There was heartbreak and stuff on there, too because it's country music you have to, but it was very colourful. With this new project, the way that the songs were being written it wasn't intentional, and I didn't know it was going to be called when I was doing Surprise Party. The music that I was writing started to gravitate towards this kind of b-side or this evil stepsister to Surprise Party in a way. I decided what the concept was going to be before I wrote the title track, so I went in I wanted it to be called either When The Party's Over or Over The Party. Ultimately, we decided Over The Party because I didn't want to compete with Billie Eilish's song When The Party's Over! We wrote the song Over The Party and that became the title track. They're not all sad songs of course, there's some happy ones on there, but they're definitely more moody and a little more vibey. I didn't try to chase certain tempos for this album as I know I might be putting myself in a box of being a ballad queen. It's more folk singer-songwriter, but it still fits in that country lane. It's definitely a little darker and more brutally honest - not so sugar-coated. I think the evil stepsister was the easiest way to describe that in comparison to the previous record going back to 2022.
Around the time of releasing Surprise Party you obviously around the time you're doing the SiriusXM Top of Country Music competition. Looking back now, how has that shaped your career these past few years?
Honestly, in terms of all the programs or emerging artists showcases I've been involved with over the years, that has been the most rewarding to shape my career. The resources that they gave us; the tools that they gave us; the experiences; it really helped put my foot in the door further into the Canadian country music industry and of course having that support and being an alumni of SiriusXM really helped that trajectory and definitely helped open the doors to more festivals and radio play. Being a part of the CCMA family meant you walk into a room and people recognize your face and your name because you're a part of this project. It's really cool to see a lot of the artists who've been a part of that program go on and do really cool things and not always in the same lane - as country music is a huge umbrella. It's really inclusive of all the different genres within country music. You have Josh Ross who's doing this super cool bro country thing in the US and Canada and onwards, then we have like this year it's Nolene Hoffman and she's in the UK touring with Zach Bryan. Then Jake Vaadeland sounds like he came out of the 60s. It's so cool to see all this music being celebrated and there's a place for all of us. SiriusXM always put in the effort to showcase everybody within that genre and it's not just one lane. That has definitely helped help shape my trajectory for sure
Oh my gosh. Well, first of all, Andrew is incredible. We're good buddies now. I love his whole family - they're awesome. He's been, I think, the best thing that's ever happened to my music and my creativity. He's pushed me in ways producers haven't pushed me in the past. He made me play on every single song on this record, so the acoustic guitars on the record is me and he even got me to play bass. I'm playing keys all over it, where in the past I've only just done vocals on all of my music. I've never been confident enough to be the session musician. With this project, he's really pushed me to do that.
Let's rewind back to your question! I came across Andrew because I fell in love with a record that he produced for Meg McRee – Is It Just Me? Meg McRee’s fantastic. It's beautiful front to back, so when I was trying to compile my dream producers that I wanted to work with my manager we were brainstorming and thinking of the angle I wanted to go with my new project and who would kind of fit that. I had a short list of producers I was like, I really love this work that they've done, or I've just liked them as a producer for who they've worked with in the past and Andrew was on that list because I love this album. My manager cold called his manager and was like, hey, can we set up a meeting, Mal loves Meg's record, she thinks it's super rad. I want to get you guys in a room to see if you would gel together. We had the best time, we were just on the same page, and it was such a relaxing atmosphere, really warm and welcoming. He gave me the space to co-produce, and he wanted as much input as I wanted to give him. He wanted me in the room when he was mixing and making all those decisions and asking my opinion on things because he really put me as artists first, which I really appreciated, and it was like that from the get-go. He was just incredible, and it was cool to be able to throw stuff at a wall and see what sticks. If we liked it, awesome, if we didn't we went back to the drawing board! It was a very creative space and very welcoming. It was a fun space to be in.
It has also resulted in a co-producer credit for you. Was that something you set out for on this project and would want to do again?
I'm giving Andrew all the credit on the production, but it was just really nice that he took my opinion and ran with it. He was very inclusive in that, so maybe I could wear that hat on future projects now I feel more confident.
On the press release you have compared this release to being the evil stepsister of Surprise Party. I absolutely love the evolution of an idea over the years.
I know! It's like what is this girl gone through? What is happening? I love the whole idea of a concept album, not just like throwing a bunch of singles on an album and putting it out just for the sake of it. I've always been drawn to artists that create concepts with their work and are very intentional with the track listing and front to back and how it's supposed to be perceived and the different themes within the record - even down with to the artwork and just the whole album as a package. I've always been like it everything I put out. I want to be so intentional. Surprise Party was very glittery, celebratory and hopeful. There was heartbreak and stuff on there, too because it's country music you have to, but it was very colourful. With this new project, the way that the songs were being written it wasn't intentional, and I didn't know it was going to be called when I was doing Surprise Party. The music that I was writing started to gravitate towards this kind of b-side or this evil stepsister to Surprise Party in a way. I decided what the concept was going to be before I wrote the title track, so I went in I wanted it to be called either When The Party's Over or Over The Party. Ultimately, we decided Over The Party because I didn't want to compete with Billie Eilish's song When The Party's Over! We wrote the song Over The Party and that became the title track. They're not all sad songs of course, there's some happy ones on there, but they're definitely more moody and a little more vibey. I didn't try to chase certain tempos for this album as I know I might be putting myself in a box of being a ballad queen. It's more folk singer-songwriter, but it still fits in that country lane. It's definitely a little darker and more brutally honest - not so sugar-coated. I think the evil stepsister was the easiest way to describe that in comparison to the previous record going back to 2022.
Around the time of releasing Surprise Party you obviously around the time you're doing the SiriusXM Top of Country Music competition. Looking back now, how has that shaped your career these past few years?
Honestly, in terms of all the programs or emerging artists showcases I've been involved with over the years, that has been the most rewarding to shape my career. The resources that they gave us; the tools that they gave us; the experiences; it really helped put my foot in the door further into the Canadian country music industry and of course having that support and being an alumni of SiriusXM really helped that trajectory and definitely helped open the doors to more festivals and radio play. Being a part of the CCMA family meant you walk into a room and people recognize your face and your name because you're a part of this project. It's really cool to see a lot of the artists who've been a part of that program go on and do really cool things and not always in the same lane - as country music is a huge umbrella. It's really inclusive of all the different genres within country music. You have Josh Ross who's doing this super cool bro country thing in the US and Canada and onwards, then we have like this year it's Nolene Hoffman and she's in the UK touring with Zach Bryan. Then Jake Vaadeland sounds like he came out of the 60s. It's so cool to see all this music being celebrated and there's a place for all of us. SiriusXM always put in the effort to showcase everybody within that genre and it's not just one lane. That has definitely helped help shape my trajectory for sure
And then you kind of done something which seems to be a split with Canadian artists in making the move to Nashville. We tend to find many the Canadians stay in their lane in Canada, so what made you make that move rather than move to a Toronto or a Calgary?
I did move to Toronto first actually, but I knew Nashville was the end goal. Basically, I just moved to Toronto to work on my work visa to get to the US - I loved Toronto. It was a big, beautiful city and I didn't expect to be a city girl. I loved it there, but I just wanted to make the leap to Nashville because I thought I would have regretted if I didn't - being a country artist, that's music city. That's songwriting city. I just feel like I would be missing out or I'd always think like what if. I'd rather go and fail in Nashville then just not go and then always wonder. I went to Nashville I think in early 2018 and I've been there ever since. I love it, there's a beautiful crew of Canadian artists and writers there and I’ve found some of my closest friends. It's such a creative place to be and its definitely small-town vibes in a big city. I feel like it's been the best place for me to grow as a writer and an artist, and it's definitely helped me level up.
Before we finish, I'm gonna go totally off topic here because I want to know about Camino de Santiago
You need to do it!
I'm the Brit who's I've been to Spain once!
It was so beautiful - I would recommend training a little bit even though it's only walking. My feet were fine and I had really good sneakers, so I didn't get blisters, but I couldn't walk after day three and had to have a massage to help. I went way too hard on the first couple days because you're walking 26 kilometres a day and there's a lot of hills on the first few days. I had a little bit of pain, but it was beautiful. You're going through farmland, and you see all the old architecture, it's so beautiful and then really rewarding at the end. I only did like the last leg of it which was I think 117 kilometres, but the whole Camino - if you do the French way - it's around 800 kilometres! We did the last leg, the minimum you could do to get the certificate to say you completed it, but it was really cool to see people who had started 800 kilometres back and see them have reunions with people they met along the trail at the end and see how emotional it was. It was just a wild experience, so I recommend it - it's really cool.
What made you choose to do it?
My mom was doing it and with her running group as they organized the trip and she asked if I wanted to come and make it a mum a daughter trip. I was like sure I'll go do get my 20,000 steps a day and get some mum and daughter time and see some beautiful things in a different country
As long as you don't have to run the 117 kilometres!
I know! She's a marathon runner, so I was just like I can't keep up if this is running I'm out, but it was walking, so it's like, okay I think I can handle that.
Next time you come to Europe you’ll have to take on our Three Peaks Challenge - Ben Nevis, Scarfell Pike and Snowdon all in 24 hours! You end up living off motorway McDonalds!
My gosh. That sounds tough! I was kind of hoping that I would shed a few pounds on the Camino, but we were carb loading then go like five kilometres stop have a bottle of wine, carb load then go another five kilometres have another bottle of wine. I drank more wine than water!
Thank you so much Mallory and of course good luck for Friday
Thank you so much. Ian
I did move to Toronto first actually, but I knew Nashville was the end goal. Basically, I just moved to Toronto to work on my work visa to get to the US - I loved Toronto. It was a big, beautiful city and I didn't expect to be a city girl. I loved it there, but I just wanted to make the leap to Nashville because I thought I would have regretted if I didn't - being a country artist, that's music city. That's songwriting city. I just feel like I would be missing out or I'd always think like what if. I'd rather go and fail in Nashville then just not go and then always wonder. I went to Nashville I think in early 2018 and I've been there ever since. I love it, there's a beautiful crew of Canadian artists and writers there and I’ve found some of my closest friends. It's such a creative place to be and its definitely small-town vibes in a big city. I feel like it's been the best place for me to grow as a writer and an artist, and it's definitely helped me level up.
Before we finish, I'm gonna go totally off topic here because I want to know about Camino de Santiago
You need to do it!
I'm the Brit who's I've been to Spain once!
It was so beautiful - I would recommend training a little bit even though it's only walking. My feet were fine and I had really good sneakers, so I didn't get blisters, but I couldn't walk after day three and had to have a massage to help. I went way too hard on the first couple days because you're walking 26 kilometres a day and there's a lot of hills on the first few days. I had a little bit of pain, but it was beautiful. You're going through farmland, and you see all the old architecture, it's so beautiful and then really rewarding at the end. I only did like the last leg of it which was I think 117 kilometres, but the whole Camino - if you do the French way - it's around 800 kilometres! We did the last leg, the minimum you could do to get the certificate to say you completed it, but it was really cool to see people who had started 800 kilometres back and see them have reunions with people they met along the trail at the end and see how emotional it was. It was just a wild experience, so I recommend it - it's really cool.
What made you choose to do it?
My mom was doing it and with her running group as they organized the trip and she asked if I wanted to come and make it a mum a daughter trip. I was like sure I'll go do get my 20,000 steps a day and get some mum and daughter time and see some beautiful things in a different country
As long as you don't have to run the 117 kilometres!
I know! She's a marathon runner, so I was just like I can't keep up if this is running I'm out, but it was walking, so it's like, okay I think I can handle that.
Next time you come to Europe you’ll have to take on our Three Peaks Challenge - Ben Nevis, Scarfell Pike and Snowdon all in 24 hours! You end up living off motorway McDonalds!
My gosh. That sounds tough! I was kind of hoping that I would shed a few pounds on the Camino, but we were carb loading then go like five kilometres stop have a bottle of wine, carb load then go another five kilometres have another bottle of wine. I drank more wine than water!
Thank you so much Mallory and of course good luck for Friday
Thank you so much. Ian
